Get ready for maaaaaajor BG debates when J and I get there, because this show brings out the (didactic, self-righteous) armchair sociologists in us like nothing else, FOR REALS, YO.
Throughout the whole trial, Jim was very much Anti-Lee, saying "he's betraying the Old Man, his own people, and waffling abominably AS USUAL because this whole Baltar Defense hooey is nothing but a petty attempt to punish Roslin and his dad"; I was very much Pro-Lee, saying, "good for him because he has the courage to follow his own convictions in the face of overwhelming pressure to capitulate, which is a true test of character." (This was just round 2 of a disagreement that goes way back to Lee's foiling of the attempted military coup against Roslin--I was a Lee apologist even then, when J was scorning him for breaking the chain of command, holding a superior officer at gunpoint, and betraying the trust of the fleet. J claimed that in real life no one in his outfit would ever trust him again; I said that, whether in real life or in the reality of BG, not-too-distant history would exonerate Lee because his instincts are so fundamentally sound that they usually anticipate the moral conclusions that people would reach, anyway, if they weren't so busy gunning for revenge and issuing ultimatums and putting collaborators out airlocks. Plus, I suspect Jim was just lashing out due of a major soft spot for Dualla, whom he sees as a victim of Lee's infernal waffling [see above] and shiftlessness, to which I say: at least Lee's infidelity hasn't KILLED Dee, which is more than Dee can say for her own Ex.)
Anyhow. I felt totally gratifed by Lee's speech, and J declared he'd reversed his opinion of the boy 100 percent, and we cried and drank Shiraz and talked about our feelings, it was great.
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Re: damnit, should reupload fat!lee icon :-w
Date: 2007-07-03 02:40 am (UTC)Throughout the whole trial, Jim was very much Anti-Lee, saying "he's betraying the Old Man, his own people, and waffling abominably AS USUAL because this whole Baltar Defense hooey is nothing but a petty attempt to punish Roslin and his dad"; I was very much Pro-Lee, saying, "good for him because he has the courage to follow his own convictions in the face of overwhelming pressure to capitulate, which is a true test of character." (This was just round 2 of a disagreement that goes way back to Lee's foiling of the attempted military coup against Roslin--I was a Lee apologist even then, when J was scorning him for breaking the chain of command, holding a superior officer at gunpoint, and betraying the trust of the fleet. J claimed that in real life no one in his outfit would ever trust him again; I said that, whether in real life or in the reality of BG, not-too-distant history would exonerate Lee because his instincts are so fundamentally sound that they usually anticipate the moral conclusions that people would reach, anyway, if they weren't so busy gunning for revenge and issuing ultimatums and putting collaborators out airlocks. Plus, I suspect Jim was just lashing out due of a major soft spot for Dualla, whom he sees as a victim of Lee's infernal waffling [see above] and shiftlessness, to which I say: at least Lee's infidelity hasn't KILLED Dee, which is more than Dee can say for her own Ex.)
Anyhow. I felt totally gratifed by Lee's speech, and J declared he'd reversed his opinion of the boy 100 percent, and we cried and drank Shiraz and talked about our feelings, it was great.
In further news, That Blind Bastard Was Hot.